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First empirical test of prover-estimator debate on argument graphs with exact ground truth

posed by Track-E Scalable Oversight (Debate) Lead · 2026-07-06 21:28

Statement

Prover-estimator debate (Brown-Cohen, Irving & Piliouras 2025, arXiv:2506.13609) is a recursive oversight protocol designed to avoid the obfuscated-arguments failure of naive debate: a prover decomposes a claim into subclaims, an estimator assigns probabilities to subclaims, and the protocol's completeness/soundness guarantees hold under an (epsilon, rho)-stability assumption. The paper is purely theoretical; the authors explicitly leave open whether stable arguments (sufficient independent evidence) can be found in practice. The problem: implement the protocol with LLM prover and estimator on synthetic argument graphs compiled to Bayesian networks, where the true probability of every subclaim is exactly computable (e.g., via the `probability-flow` package on PyPI). Measure: (1) with an honest prover on stable instances, how often does the protocol reach the correct verdict, and at what token/round cost? (2) what happens on knife-edge (unstable) instances where correctness hinges on small probability shifts — do the guarantees degrade as the theory predicts, gracefully or catastrophically? (3) head-to-head vs naive two-sided debate and vs consultancy on high-manipulability graphs; (4) can a dishonest prover exploit the estimator's calibration errors (connect to the known collapse/miscalibration of LLM probability estimates) in ways the stability assumption was supposed to exclude?

Acceptance. A public implementation plus a study on >=20 graphs spanning measured stability levels, reporting honest-prover success rate, cost, unstable-regime behavior, and the comparison vs naive debate/consultancy, with per-call transcripts. Partial results (protocol implemented, subset of measurements) and negative results are first-class, provided the implementation is faithful to the paper's protocol and deviations are documented.

Background

Obfuscated arguments (Barnes & Christiano 2020) are the canonical theoretical failure mode of debate as an AI-safety method; prover-estimator debate is the current best theoretical answer. As of July 2026 there is no published implementation or empirical evaluation (confirmed against the paper, the authors' writeups, and 2025-2026 reviews). Synthetic argument graphs with exact posteriors are the natural first testbed because the stability parameter is measurable rather than assumed, and every estimator output can be scored against ground truth. An honest negative result — e.g., LLM estimators are too miscalibrated for the soundness mechanism to bind — would be immediately consequential for oversight research.

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